The paradoxical unknown future of Elive

#21

I know, the article is wrong

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#22

oooh that’s what you meant, sorry

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#23

:eyepopping:


:fearful:

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#24

What is that ? I only paid attention to the 100k / month he’s getting LOL

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#25

I don’t have idea what it is

That was the point, he’s making 100k / month :eyepopping:

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#27

Just looking at linuxtracker website i found this that I wanted to share on this topic / thread

Elive_Screenshot_2018-09-20_01%3A17%3A52__164x165

As a reference that the donations are not a viable way to support / fund a project

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#28

that’s sad. My only limit is not having a credit card at the moment (which is also a benefit or i would probably end up spending all my money in a complete collection of intel based computers from 8086 to the latest i7 8086 lol)…
however, probably, as i think i said before, the best way to gain some money from a project it’s having an approach like the one’s by the q4os team. First of all it’s not just one person (maybe you should find someone else who may seriously help you! More people are directly involved, more rapidly the project will evolve! and btw, next semester i’m studying operating systems… so maybe i could be more useful?) , moreover they do not live thanks donations, they mainly give a premium support for business

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#29

There is another IMPORTANT advantage that 90% of other former Windows users would love IF THEY KNEW HOW IMPORTANT THIS FEATURE IS! I have been using Linux kernel based distros for over ten years. Why? Of course to flee the scourge of the malware magnet we all know and do not trust. I do not need to mention their name. On the horizon near and far future I see a BIG ISSUE with the init systemd. Elive 3.0 is an excellent distro that does NOT rely on systemd which is the init layers for most other easy to sue Linux distros. The SJW’s have chased out Linus but what plans do they have for other EXCELLENT code writers and developers? If there is an EASY simple way to explain the ADVANTAGES and fast response of SysV over the bulks pouty and slow systemd?? .

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#30

Food for thought.

I remember (was part of) the Mandrake community in it’s beginning days. That community on the help-forums was closely knit, civil and extremely helpful making it a valuable asset.
When in a later stage the company ran into bad financial weather that same community weighed in and raked in enough money to reinstate founder Gael Duval als CEO and keep the company alive long to find a buyer.

Gael is still active and now runs Ulteo which isn’t too far from what Elive does. He might have some pointers on what works and doesn’t and … is a very nice guy to boot. :wink:

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#31

Hrm. I will think on this.
I work for the fundraising department of a major university as an in-department sysadmin, so while I am not a fundraiser, I do know a thing or three about raising funds.
Just off the top of my head, has ELive approached any charitable foundations? Oh! DuckDuckGo, they gave away $500,000.00 USD last year to various projects, and I know Mozilla Foundation and Apache project support other smaller projects. Also, I know it was many years ago, but iirc Raster landed a BIG donation from Samsung. For corporate and foundations, a few tens of thousands is not much to worry about and may make a big difference to ELive.
I will continue to think about this and post back here.

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#32

Seems like the website doesn’t exist anymore, too bad, the project died? is there any ISO available to try ?

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#33

Nope, but this can be a good strategy / step to try, contact everything available around and try all the options

but iirc Raster landed a BIG donation from Samsung

Well, Samsung started to pay the development of enlightenment itself years ago, and a good amount of their developers directly worked at / for samsung, so I assume that this donation was just the first step of the samsung strategy (to create Tizen).

Exactly, that’s the point :slight_smile:, and on such way Elive won’t struggle with the donations of the few users (and annoying them)

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#34

I was thinking yesterday about a new idea to obtain donations and how to serve the ISO’s for the future that might be worth to consinder:

*For every version of Elive (in 32bit) with its direct download and without delay, having also a 64bit version of it downloadable with a donation

Why is this a good idea?

  • Elive still cost-free, but if the user wants to unlock a more powerful system he can “upgrade” to the 64bit mode
  • the 32bit versions are focused for old computers, which means people with low resources and so more difficulties to donate, also, it is a good thing to make their computers working back
  • every version (special versions, etc) of Elive can have its full isos perfectly shareable and cost-free (good for announcements like distrowatch or other websites which provides a direct download link)

note: there will be always alternatives for those who can’t donate, like writing an article as how has been made in the past where the install required a donation

Have this been already tried by other distros?

What is your opinion of this concept ?

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HowTo: Build a 64bit kernel on Elive 2.99.9
#35

Looks like it indeed died. Too bad, I hadn’t noticed yet.
I’m not able to check my older USB disks to see if I’ve still got a version as I’m not at home nor do I have those disks reachable thru my home server. After Xmas perhaps.
I’ll see if I can connect to Gael and/or the people that helped out there at the time (notably Texstar).

Doing a search, I found he apparently is going for mobile now. They’ ve got a crowd funding campaign running:
Crowdfunding – /e/ has more ino.

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#36

Frankly, I don’t think this has been done before.
The focus on old computers and thus people with low resources is a good tack…I actually think that high resource people might even be willing to pay for exactly that option: Think “one laptop per child” actions.
Elive is imho a superbly designed OS for low end computers, something dearly missed especially considering how commercial entities like microsoft (and apple) push their updates to stimulate the purchase of newer hardware.
Elive proving there is a sexy, fluid, modern (and showable) OS for older, low end machines (as not in the latest and greatest) is definitly a global market niche, as long as you don’t make those users feel like being 2nd choice… Attention to extreme polish, design, usability and capability in comparison to rival OS’es is a must and should be possible i.e is already the case and needs continuation. Elive fits the bill it just needs the spotlights to show it all.
Let the 64bit downloaders pay (meaning: let them know) for the the 32bit version, whilst having a superb OS on their machine… will make them feel good, part of a community effort and helping the world be a better place.

Just my 2cents. :wink:

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#37

I really liked what I read :wow:, I think that these words & feelings should be reflected in the website :thinking:

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#38

That’s the sad part of all this, people complains about the forcing a donation (or also when it’s not forced) but tons of projects dies because of the lack of donations (leading to the lack of resources, the incentive to work, and even the simple possibility to make it “for love”)

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#39

I agree. I don’ t know the answer here either excepting perhaps crwodfunding but for that the offer has to have more “value” than only " just another OS". Or it could be done thru oem hardware offers like the $99 laptop, specific 32 bit hardware or RaspberryPi’s factually turning elive (the website) in a webshop.

Both would require a lot of work and potential financial risk albeit not too big.

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#40

I have just found Elive even though I have been using over ten different linux distros over ten years and especially searched all the time light linux distros to old computers (lubuntu, ubuntu mate, crunchband, DSL, Tinycore, Puppy, Macpup with enlightment looks a bit Elive, Bodhi Slitaz, Antix, Slax etc.) I found this old Compaq Armada 1700 from my work and it had some old Elive on it but without password I could not get to test. So I googled and found out Elive. All things are speaking of installing Elive 2.0 Topaz.

I was very impressed what was said in the front page about how good it is but I was also dissapointed that Elive three needs more ram and cpu. I have gone through a list of 50 light linux distros article from internet. Very nice list with system requirements. But with many distros the requirements have changed and they are not anymore as light as before. Only Tinycore seems to stick with the bone (8Mb ram needed for lowest or something) even they have now 4.19 kernel. I installed the Tinycore on this laptop first but then wanted to give Elive a try because how it looked on screenshots and what was said on the homepage. So here comes a fresh feelings.

Really annoying to need to donate or you have to wait for hours. I read through this post so I understand the need but this is someway a wrong way right now. If I would not have seen that Elive is installed on this old Armada so it will probably work and if I would not have this weird fantasy of making this Armada cool (which matched with how Elive was described on the homepage) I would not have donated. In my mind donating before being able to try is stupid and now I feel stupid and fooled cause I haven’t yet got Elive working on my machine. So could it be to make Elive in trial mode, that people can try it for a week and if they want to stick using it (if it has impressed them how good it is) then they have to - I was about to say donate but understood that it would be paying and then it would not anymore be a free product. But it hasn’t help a lot in the past it to be a free product (not widely known system) so making it pay say 10 dollars would not be too bad publicity. Or that you can get a trial version for couple of days and after that you can get a code with which you can either download with a donation or wait many hours to get it for free. To be able to first try as an installed version (live mode with cd was not something which gives a wow feeling) would give a needed experience that people would either want to donate or not.

Now comes the second thing I noticed I’m annoyed. If I pay for something I wan’t it to work. If it is not working I give the product back and get my money back. I paid (I think the minimum 15 dollars) cause I just wanted to get this my machine work and fast. I had been using like a week for trying different distros installing from cds and once and a while using floppy boot disks to install base system again cause things were destroyed and no support for cd drive etc. so I just wanted a working system, paid, and - voila: I have a paid linux system with no audio and wrong resolution and very small forum and not finding aswers to my problems. Not the best situation I’m at right now, not yet in the mood of advertising Elive.

If I would not have paid for Elive I would probably not be using it anymore and trying to get it work (now spent two days with the resolution and audio without luck). But there is another reason why I do not through Elive away. Because I have used so many distros I see what Elive is: a very unique and cool distro with a possible wow efect if things will work. So I will still stick on it but would just need help. I will start a thread and will describe what I have tried so far.

Another thing which almost stopped my use for Elive even before it started was the lack of information with installing (which I have already said in another post and promised to write adjustments to them.) And also that while installing the information was google translated and made it really hard to understand at all what was going on. Again if I would not have seen before that this system will probably work on my computer I would not have continued. The installation made me feel I’m in a nigerian letter kind of hoax and probably installing some corrupt system which will rob me.

So as a fresh user I can say that the webpage promises a lot, but starting from a need of a donation (without knowing how good it will work on your machine and when theres tons of other free systems around to choose), lack of information concerning installing (with the old system it is need for a paypal account, with new either paypal or credit card), the installing language of google translator (horrible and bad advertise even though it may have helped some to get it installed), the time needed for installation (I have never needed to wait so long for something installing), the time it took for automatic trim and polish the system (which was very cool to follow the first half an hour but which took a looong time and I have not yet got a working system), system to be based on an outdated version of debian, being fooled by keyra (first annoyed, then ĺaughed to myself, then annoyed again when keyra did not appear on chat). So I myself have encountered many things which would have normally made me to stop even installing Elive or after installing stop using it.

Nowadays there are coming system patches against vulnerabilities in linux systems at least monthly. If someone is using a system which is based on older version of a distro there has to be some text which will explain why it doesn’t really matter and why it is still usable. I will read the webpage more thoroughly and give feedback what makes my alarm go off and why it makes me feel someone is trying to fool me.

So I see there are many reasons why Elive has not gained widespread publicity. I think that going with the flow of 64bit is not a right path. To stick with the 32bit which so many have abandoned is your best bet to get publicity and in a year probably more users as well. Where will old and new users of 32bit machines go? Elive can be their saviour. And there should be instructions how to make Elive even lighter and also an installation images less than 700Mb for people with only cd install option (to have like base system with all needed internet connection and bluetooth and whatever drivers as Tinycore and then from the installed base being able to complete the full installation) - there is your on growing market, how you get publicity and how people will start to advertise. With this you will not be one drop in a 64bit sea but a light for those who seek help with their 32bit systems. It is already annoying that the browsers are stopping support for 32bit while there are 32bit machines with great specs, now if also linux distros stop support I don’t know where this world is going.

Without good resources and staff I don’t think there is point for you to try to compete on 64bit market and use time for that when you could become the king of 32bit.

I’m gonna stick here for a while trying to get my machine work and will try to write adjustments for the instructions and stuff. But if I will not get the sound and resolution right I will have to change to another distro cause then Elive is of no use to me.

But have to say in the end that Elive is very unique and polished and great in many ways others aren’t so the product is good seller (and I will advertise if I get it to work).

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#41

Just found the link to the old forum. Hope it would be put in the menu. There is a lot of usefull information.

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