If you upgrade using the latest Elive 3.8.1 live usb. The upgrader will break/delete all your none repo installs , source compilations. Lost all my new arcade games that i use to kill time when source compiling 
Triantares recommended using "Elive- Health" instead
No, I recommended "as well" or to logout and back in (which does the same).
Upgrading from the USB (contrary to "apug") will remove all externally derived applications, only those in the standard Buster and Elive repos will be kept (this is a stability/security feature BTW).
Programs to be kept (provide they originate from those repos) can added to the file" "/etc/elive/packages_to_maintain_installed" which is also offered to you during the upgrade cycle using the USB.
Thanks for the correction
my install to asus laptop went without any problems thanks for building a great operating system
~ ❯❯❯ inxi -F
System:
Host: Elive-grumpy Kernel: 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: N/A Distro: Elive 10 3.8.1 (beta)
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: ASUSTeK product: FX503VM v: 1.0
serial:
Mobo: ASUSTeK model: FX503VM v: 1.0 serial:
UEFI: American Megatrends v: FX503VM.311 date: 04/29/2019
Battery:
ID-1: BAT1 charge: 33.8 Wh condition: 58.6/64.4 Wh (91%)
CPU:
Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-7700HQ bits: 64 type: MT MCP
L2 cache: 6144 KiB
Speed: 3713 MHz min/max: 800/3800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 3775 2: 3695
3: 3576 4: 3559 5: 3584 6: 3489 7: 3750 8: 3622
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GP106M [GeForce GTX 1060 Mobile] driver: nvidia v: 430.64
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: nvidia
unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1060/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 430.64
Audio:
Device-1: Intel CM238 HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
Network:
Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
driver: r8168
IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: 2c:fd:a1:3f:29:6f
Device-2: Intel Wireless 8265 / 8275 driver: iwlwifi
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 9.38 GiB (4.0%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB
RAID:
Hardware-1: Intel 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] driver: ahci
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 228.01 GiB used: 9.38 GiB (4.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:
Missing: Required tool sensors not installed. Check --recommends
Info:
Processes: 234 Uptime: 12m Memory: 19.62 GiB used: 1.26 GiB (6.4%)
Shell: zsh inxi: 3.0.32
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Do "api lm-sensors" for that. 
done thanks mate
just installed on my lenova all in one working perfect no problems
❯❯❯ inxi -F
System:
Host: Elive-grumpy Kernel: 5.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: N/A Distro: Elive 10 3.8.1 (beta)
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: F0C20029TA
v: ideacentre AIO 910-27ISH serial:
Mobo: LENOVO model: 3647 v: SDK0K13468 WIN 3273581860483
serial: UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: O29KT21AUS
date: 06/30/2017
CPU:
Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i7-6700T bits: 64 type: MT MCP
L2 cache: 8192 KiB
Speed: 3569 MHz min/max: 800/3600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 3585 2: 3554
3: 3531 4: 3540 5: 3595 6: 3445 7: 3591 8: 3595
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 530 driver: i915 v: kernel
Device-2: NVIDIA GM107M [GeForce GTX 950M] driver: nvidia v: 430.64
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting,nouveau,nvidia
unloaded: fbdev,vesa tty: N/A
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 530 (Skylake GT2)
v: 4.5 Mesa 18.3.6
Audio:
Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
Network:
Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
driver: r8168
IF: enp2s0 state: down mac: 98:ee:cb:51:e2:92
Device-2: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter
driver: ath10k_pci
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: 94:e9:79:f4:3b:21
Device-3: Qualcomm Atheros type: USB driver: btusb
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 476.95 GiB used: 10.79 GiB (2.3%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 PRO 256GB size: 238.47 GiB
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: LITE-ON model: L8H-256V2G size: 238.47 GiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 217.93 GiB used: 10.79 GiB (4.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-2: swap-1 size: 16.03 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:
Missing: Required tool sensors not installed. Check --recommends
Info:
Processes: 229 Uptime: 1h 03m Memory: 15.55 GiB used: 1.19 GiB (7.7%)
Shell: zsh inxi: 3.0.32
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Sorry for being awol, I have moved 
Can I have a download link so I can spend X-mas seeing if I can break something
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Did that a few minutes ago. PM.
you get the strap for being awol isnt that right Harm
Is that a promise 
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Yeah ..... but I never do that in public.
Always in squalid little virtual backrooms like PMs. 
~ ❯❯❯ grep -i alternatives .e16/bindings.cfg
KeyDown CA t exec /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
...
Mmh should work, this conf file is set on Live startup and also from the installer. Basically unless you have very low resources, it should be set to terminology, otherwise to urxvt
try "readlink -f" to that /etc file
Not sure if you mean that, but Elive Topaz included a feature where you can download a newer ISO, boot automatically in Live mode from the hard disk (this means, no USB / DVD required to record) by simply rebooting the machine, and even install it over your actual system
That's another hidden feature that Elive had, @triantares @Rebel450 @yoda 
ah! yes, alright, that was the feature explained before, it is actually not implemented / integrated, maybe good to include? but in any case people don't even knows about these features (and so nobody uses them), that's why i said how much important is to write the Features pages, @triantares
repos are removed to keep the system correctly stable, for compiled things it should be maintained (if was installed on /usr/local or /opt) on which dir they was installed instead? 
Buenas tardes un cordial saludo a todo el equipo
yo soy usuario final no soy programador pero tengo una duda, cuando se habla de uso reducido de ram entiendo que todo el sistema utiliza menos este recurso eso es muy útil en equipos que poseen poca memoria pero en el caso de equipos que tengan suficiente memoria Ram lo mejor no es que sea utilizada y esto mejora el rendimiento del SO seria mucho mas productivo en mi opinión y por favor corrijan me si estoy errado y esto lo digo porque yo percibo que Elive corre y se ejecuta mas rápido en modo live con un pendrive que instalado en mi disco duro.
I was refering to the repo installed programs . The files in /opt are fine , just their desktop links are lost.
ok, as @triantares said here 3.8.1 beta release - #22 by triantares you can use that file for the installer to keep them installed
about the .desktop files, on which directory are they installed by default in your compilations?
Most seem to go here /usr/share/applications/ , but some remained in the install folder /opt
Maybe try soft linking those in /opt, assuming they're the ones that don't show up ?
"sudo ln -s /opt/program_name/blabla.desktop /usr/share/applications/blabla.desktop"
Thar means i would have to create a .desktop file specifically for the file blabla.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ then create the symbolic link, no? Feels like the symbolic link would add a lot of actions i would need to remember going later or conflicts . No?
Wouldnt it be better to just insert the file path in the blabla.desktop file in the "exec" field ? Since i lost the old programs i have not bothered to reinstall them.
No, that command creates the symlink. If you create one beforehand you will get a response stating that the file exists and thus a link cannot be created.
The symlink (-s) is used to avoid problems with local paths in the app i.e start an app from it's own directory in stead of just copying over part of it.
