[image] Why does E16 feel old fashioned? , just wondering what if i uninstall network manager You would uninstall a lot of other stuff that depends on it of which cairo-dock is the most prominent on Elive. In that sense, it might be an idea to look for another dock to have available for E16. …

[image] triantares: "sudo service network-manager stop" On my system too terminal indicates that networkmanager has been stopped but i still have internet access and the network manager icon in the shelf persists working.

It looks like permanently disabling Network-Manager.service doesn't affect the system either. Use: "sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager.service" If things do go awry you can always enable it again with "enable" in that command. :smiley14:

[image] triantares: It looks like permanently disabling Network-Manager.service doesn't affect the system either. Use: It does not , until you boot the computor again! and then no more network manager or wifi internet. :cry: I had to renable that service

That's strange I don't have that ... but then I boot straight into E23 on mine. All in all, connman runs exceptionally well now that network-manager.service is disabled. AFAIK systemd-networkd.service is the one that raises the network interfaces, although network-manager obviously will not run if…

[image] triantares: That's strange I don't have that . My problem may be that i have not updated since 3.8.1 , Hate losing my settings and starting afresh from with the factory settings . I guess i just have to byte the bullet sometime

If you have run "apug" as well as enabling "elive-upgrader" (see the info on the " E23 - please expand " post) often, your system will be up to date except (maybe) the kernel which you can upgrade yourself. On a side note .... Today's upgrade message: [shot-2020-05-11_17-53-33] I wouldn't call tha…

[image] triantares: as well as enabling "elive-upgrader" ( I have been apugging like a missionary, but did not to elive-upgrader Now got several errors messages like this on elive-uprader "E: Failed to fetch http://repo.buster.elive.elivecd.org/pool/main/e/elive-daemons/elive-daemons_3.8.12…

Give it time to finish or reboot.

Been running E23 with network-manager.service disabled for 5 straight days now on my main laptop and have to state: Connectivity works exceptionally well. No glitches of importance when waking up after suspend or "lid-close" or reboot. :love: My idea: Bugger network-manager and use "connman" and …

[image] triantares: My idea: Bugger network-manager and use "connman" and "connman-gtk" by default, including E16 How do i do that and set connman and conman-gtk to default? Looks like in my case they look for networkmanager and when they dont find it , they throw a hissyfit

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