Wikipedia page of Elive REBORN

@Thanatermesis
If you find some time, you might add the images in Logos and Banners of Elive - Elive Linux to wikimedia commons so that they can easily be used by others without any licensing problems.

As well some more screenshots, especially of the older versions.

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No, it's been overlooked or whatever. Other later requests were already answered and looking at those answers doesn't make me want to ask again.

At least I've got some human interaction now so I'm treading gingerly here.
I did see a sort of opening to a Linux project for which I don't have time.


Maybe something for you i.e it's in your interest sphere (Linux) and could jack up your editor status a tad. :madness:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Linux - Wikipedia

This thread has gotten to 105 posts. High time we cleaned out junk. :ohmygod:

Done. :dance::happy_dance::happybounce:

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i added that so our article would get more attention

how did you remove so many without ruining the flow?! xd

UPDATE: it's here and someone gave an answer thats actually useful!!!

Hi! Why is article Draft:Elive rejected? i cannot figure it out. please help. TheTechRobo (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Response:

Hello, TheTechRobo3641, and welcome to the Teahouse. The rejection, late in May, was by 1292simon and the stated reasons were external links in the body of the draft, and being promotional. Another editor seems to have removed all the inline external links in the last few days, and that should not be a reason for rejection in any case. In my view the draft currently does have a rather promotional tone. Such phrases as: allows the user to try it before actually installing., Press coverage stayed favorable nonetheless, with especially Linux Magazine and Linux Journal touting the tight integration of the E17 window manager. and The 64-bit release brings all the perks of a 64-bit OS... are more than a bit promotional. The draft should be rewritten to be morem Neutral I haven't looked into the cited sources and if they are enough to establish notability. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

So now we can make an improved one

There is currently a redacted version with which I recieved help from a senior editor (that's what the responder means) who initially moved the article to drafts. He removed all promotional text. it's to be seen under the elivelinux name.
It should be acceptable in this form IMO.
I'm waiting for the acceptance of that one, so hold your horses...after which we can move it to Elive.
For now Elive has had too many rejections and comments which clearly doesn't help in getting it accepted i.e the first bias is a no.

Feel free to edit draft:elive to your taste but for now do not submit it.

They should read articles like the ElementaryOs one.....now that's promotional. :ohmygod:

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why not? :slight_smile: try to install the 32bit version in a small machine, you end up with a system using 150 MB of ram with everything running (actual beta versions) note that the installer is dynamic in what is going to be installed, that's the same (probably less? not sure) than the stable 3.0 version, but yeah, older versions are lighter (specially in browsers! you can browse the net without being bottleneck at the first tab)

sounds good :slight_smile:

mmh, I have a good amount that I can collect and publish in a specific place, we should create a task somewhere about this but lets wait first to have teh wikipedia working in order to improve the parts

hum, not sure to understand, what I should do with this? btw seems like they has linux templates and the debian article seems to be a good one

ok so we should not use links in words, that's correct? and only in the references & external links sections? hum... makes sense

ok so we need to take care about how to use the words to find the most neutral and informative tone... which maybe puts me in a lower level to edit the article lol

what about the articles / magazines it says? im not sure to understood... it is bad to say that appears in linux magazine? (i think its good to reference these articles?), or maybe the issue is "how" it is said that appeared in linux magazine? (words used) :thinking:

yeah! it was good info :applause:

sounds very good :smiley:

unfortunately we cannot have in the end "two articles of elive" (one as the real one and another for dump all improvements without worry to have a rejection or similar), but I assume that with caution we can edit it over the time to improve things (more articles links, if this is not a bad thing, so stills not very clear to me lol, more informational text, updates, etc...)

ok let me tell a bit about it, it all started with a donation for a custom version https://www.elivecd.org/download/custom-linux-distro/ (it was a 100$ offer on that moment and included a selection of the packages, IIRC), they where an university which liked elive and wanted to use it for their classes, because it was a friendly and beautiful linux, unlike much linux/unix systems which seemed to be not so much, I have somewhere a photo of a classroom using elive which In fact could be good to use somewhere "universities using elive" :slight_smile: ... in the end they didn't requested any details for that custom distro but seems like they started to do it my their own, which is of course much better and allow more possibilities, specially if they are studing how linux works internally, I really don't have idea on what this ended or what they did, I was added in their github to help collaborating with an userguide / manual for elive (yes you can found it actually on these repos) which they did a lot of work but i never found the time to work on that, and this is more or less that :slight_smile: I sincerely don't know on what ended that customization or if there's any, its probably a private project of the university, im a bit curious in any case but not checked much more in the end

which thing? an emoticon like this?: :-1:

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Well, you can have links to other articles, e.g. it is based on debian not it is based on debian.

well, @triantares said that once it's accepted we'd move it to elive

no, like :1down: for mario losing a life compared to :1up for him gaining a life (:1up:)

Kind of when something bad happens, the opposite of :1up:

Do you have any idea which uni that was, there must have been some communication?

Wikipedia has articles of Canada based St Paul and there's one in Manilla.
Undoubtedly there are more St Paul Universities in the world but those 2 have WP entries and if it's one of them, it would be very cool to add the internal link. :thinking:

oh i see now, got it, didn't know that :slight_smile:

ah I see, but btw see that the added emoticons are all with a "positive mood" :wink: this is of course to promote the positive behaviour / use of the forum (which is not needed at all, but that was the idea), negative-mood emoticons there's only this one aparently: :ohmygod: , all the other ones are positive-feeling :slight_smile: - they are also a bit "generic feeling" (meaning that can be used for different things, like "my pizza burnt :ohmygod::ohmygod:" ), I have searched a good amount of them and didn't see more than the actual ones that can be useful :slight_smile: , so maybe the :ohmygod: can be used for when something bad happens? :happy:

mmh, i have some emails but i dont found other ones (like the photos they sent me), i should have them somewhere.... hum!

the correct domain is from saintpaul.edu

yeah but could be better to have more details, like the photos, and some results published by them about elive (if they have this info somewhere)

there's also this GitHub - FOSSClass/AbantOS-Elive: README for AbantOS (Elive/Debian Custom Distribution) Pick a Section, fork, edit, commit, pull, merge

what we are talking about? :slight_smile:
elive used svn as a repo in the past (and before, cvs lol), but now uses git because of its superiority, by other side the translations is the only thing that stills used by our old svn, but only for its translations commits (and not the applications source codes, only the translated messages)

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Ah, that's a College in St Paul Minnesota.... Just added it to the draft.
They have their own WP page.
Very good. :happy_dance:

Yep, already there as an external link/reference

This, under "repository":

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unfortunately their page is too much generic, otherwise we could have mentioned about abantos / elive on their page :slight_smile:

ah ok, well, svn is old, not worth to be considered for the wikipedia page :thinking:

When its finally accepted, we should put it on Wikiproject:Linux...it already is (added it back in april when we were waiting for a review) (thats the link on the talk page), but its not added to the index yet so people dont know about it

yep, this one and in every other page that can reference to it :slight_smile: there's many "linux" related threads (lightweight linux, debian-based distros, distros, livecd's, etc...), and other things (applications, list of systems using systemd, sysvlinux, enlightenment), threads about the linux kernel, threads about reiser4, etc etc etc etc etc :runningfast: the more places the better :slight_smile:

Be carefull about going around and adding Elive all over the place.
Although it might feel like "as it should be", it will send WP moderators in a flurry if they get the impression you're abusing WP for PR (which in fact you are :shocked: ).

Repairing existing links is a first and the rest should be done at a snail's pace and by different people.

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@triantares is correct.

if we add too many links, we could have to redo the article, or worse...get banned...

so PLEASE dont do this: :runningfast: because the mods would go insane...not that i dont want them to :wink:

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They want neutral points. Infact they say not to write about yourself or your business because it will have a WP:PROMO issue.

Doesn't seem to be, WP says up to 2 months or more, but I am pretty sure (or is this my stack overflow experience confusing me lol) that when you edit a draft it "bumps" it to recently edited in a number of sections, including the queue of drafts and on the Main Page!!! So I just fixed the version number (without being logged in so it doesn't seem like SPA)


OK,
So now I'm totally giving up. There's no way I know on what to change in the article to get it accepted.
If even direct editing help from other reviewers isn't good enough what is?
It's total bollocks and using up too much of my time. :shocked:

So I'm not touching this madness anymore. :face_vomiting:

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this reminds me...

Change every occurence of "nvidia" to "Wikimedia" (foundation behind wikipedia) and it fits perfectly :mwahaha: