3.7.3 betatesting experiences

[Thanatermesis]

@stoppy98

I don't like e16 and e17 when comes to plugging my phone, it never got recgnized in the right way so i cannot transfer files over it @Thanatermesis

Not in 3.7.x ? I tried to copy my photos from the iphone in the windows computer unsuccessfully, then I tried from the recent Elive and it worked like a charm

@yoda

On my laptop, the Pager appear under Cairo Dock

cairo-dock overwrites it (just move it upper then) unless you are running the desktop with the composite option

@yoda

And I didn't look that much, but can we "LOCK " the session easily ? Didn't find ...

nope, there's not a lock feature in e16

@yoda

How is it going for 3.7.4 @Thanatermesis

• fixes ?
• new features or surprises ?

Just uploaded with the remaining tasks for it should be a much better (more stable & fixes) version with also fine-tuned things, like cairo-dock default settings and other preconfigured things. @zbd I assume this version fixes all the "low ram" issues with the installation and deals it much better

@maxinou

I try to run 373 in HP (5 years "newer" than Acer) but installers says me that I have a 32-bit CPU and it ends.... strange....

installer? I assume you mean "live boot" (after first boot menu), you cannot boot the 64bit version in a computer that doesn't supports 64bit (most of netbooks in fact lol)

IMPORTANT: DO NOT USE BTRFS !

it is dangerous and unreliable filesystem even in these new version, your data is in danger (i had a second forced shutdown and lost my partition, being entirely unrecoverable), so bad btrfs...

@maxinou

but installer it's working for more than 12 hours

try with 3.7.4, there should be fixes for these low-ram cases, also don't use btrfs

@maxinou

I tested first with encryption bat I have sometimes a message that says "Unable to encrypt with this password. Leaving installer",

hum, this is curious and should not happen... but i added a code to make a second attempt on these cases (3.7.4)

@maxinou

HP should do also (Intel Atom 2600N it's sensed to be a 64bit CPU) but livesystem says me that I have a 32bit CPU..... why???

mmh that's right, from internet seems like the cpu has 64bit, maybe is a bug in kernel (or grub/loader) autodetecting the cpu or maybe a bios option, curious in any case

About Nvidia:

(@Rebel450): I had issues using the 390 version too on one of my computers, not sure where is the problem (maybe kernel version, maybe nvidia drivers...), but if somebody knows with certanity that this version of nvidia drivers works for its card, could be good to know if the issue is really with this version of driver (that should work with this version id). Note: 3.7.4 could have updated drivers if they were updated from debian

@triantares @Rebel450 : im lost about the suggestion to remove the nvidia drivers from install maybe i didn't understood the point, but as explained in another place, the actual behaviour is:

• user boots in Live mode (as much as he wants) selecting free or privative drivers (since this is the first boot tests, he will know from this point if the privative or the free drivers works better for him)
• when the desktop has started successfully (and only after that, which means "drivers correctly working"), the user can install elive on HD
• the same settings he selected about his nvidia are used for the installed system

and this (the last line) is IMHO the best option because ensures that the drivers correctly works, doesn't needs to ask anything to the user, will make sure that will install the same way, etc... so what if the user don't want to use privative drivers? well, just boot with the free drivers option in live mode before to enter to the desktop and start installing other thing than "autodetected / autoselected" would be a complication for the end-users

@triantares

This time using the "migrate existing install" mode as there was a pre-existing Ubuntu there.
I must say everything went amazingly smooth and the Ubuntu was changed to Elive without a hitch.

@triantares

Connected HP 6122 printer is recognized but will not print. There's a message about a missing print filter ?????, anyway simply adding another printer (the same one) creates an instance that does work.

hum, i wonder if this was due to a recyclated (previous OS) conf in /etc, or by an automatic printer configuration detection (which if im not wrong there's an automatic configurator somewhere in elive) or... maybe something like that

@triantares

After a while I noticed brightness didn't work so checked /etc/sudoers.d and behold there were no priveleges_brightness et all, there.

mmh yeah, they are created on new user but not when migrating users (that doesn't has it), mmh, noted to improve in the installer

@maxinou

But after my first apug system start in E17 I think that was almost discussed some days ago, I need to find the thread to change from E17 to E16.

noted, that will be improved too for next builds (wrong "default WM" set)

@triantares

I think it would be even better if @Thanatermesis configered the greeter this way by default, seeing as " onboard" is now installed by default too.

mmh but that should be a good default case for computers that has touchscreen (only), and i dont see a way to autodetect it

@triantares this is useful info, you could move that post entry to a howto page

@triantares

E16 loses touchpad connection on after suspend.

in fact looks like the entire "dbus" connection is lost after suspend (hibernate specially?), not sure if is a e16 specific issue, probably the dbus address changes and the desktop doesn't reach it anymore, this causes multiple issues bettween applications like probably touchpad connection

or.. maybe the touchpad just doesn't correctly restores after suspension (hardware specific cases)

@triantares

I'm not sure but I think having ext4 partitions (I migrated here) that need to be re-mounted after resume are part of the problem.

maybe a bug from debian-upstream, hopefully fixed for their buster release (which is near) - note: try apug to see if updates fixes that

@Rebel450

Indeed, it never worked whithout swap by my experiences (on Ubuntu based 'distros').

it requires swap, but IMHO the implementation is wrong and it should create a temporal file in the / root filesystem with the space required to store the ram contents and then hibernate (this won't take more time than just write in swap, in fact), maybe a future feature for elive lol

@triantares

My current e16 desktop using " country" theme..

that's a beautiful wallppaer makes desktop look powerful

@Terry_Rosinski : I had data corruption due to using btrfs and I was working on recovering everything... also I was moving to colombia for 2 months

@triantares

To remove conky I either have to edit some files somewhere in .e16 or run the configurator again, where the latter will kill all my personal settings.

some suggestions:

• apug
• elive-skel upgrade .config/cairo-dock
• edit .e16/startup-applications.list

the second will update your cairo-dock with improved settings, the third is a own feature for the autolaunched applications

@triantares found a way to feature a "lock" in e16 ?

btw as an option we could also just improve the e16 code to add the feature

@yoda

For some E16 is may be an old environment, but for the it's the most efficient DE I have used. I even think I won't install Cairo Dock.

even better than the e17 experience on elive 3.0 stable ? it is really well featured! (but may feel a bit slower)

@Franc

there is not the "resize with keyboard" optio

added "alt + f8" for that, if you apug and restart desktop configurations
btw e16 allows you to have windows (bigger than screen) shared between their multiple desktops, so you can go back/from them and reach the other window elements

@Rebel450

Confirmed.

mmh, but i dont see the relation of these window sizes with e16 / elive, they -should- be already small (autoconfigurations for font sizes)

@Franc

A question: In order to, in the same time, fit this "new" installation with reiser4 (originally on ext4), what should be the best way for doing it..?

check the comments in the 3.7.4 betatesting page, but if you want to move, you should do a clean install and then copy the files