E27 Enlightenment cannot manage my monitor setup

I installed and launched Enlightenment (supposedly e27 but there's no topic tag for that???), and after its initial setup dialogs, it settled in to the new Elive desktop. Except that my top monitor was completely blank (it might have been on the "right" but I don't remember right now). It's supposed to be set up like this:

I could find NO Elive or Enlightenment menu item that deals with this except for the "screens" dialog. THAT dialog only had my LVDS-1 (or LVDS1) monitor showing at all, and no visible control to add the VGA-1 (or VGA1 or VGA-2 or VGA2) monitor to the configuration.

I fired up a terminal and ran the xrandr command and could see that my second monitor indeed was there, was connected, and so I ran my usual command to fix the monitors:

xrandr --output LVDS-1 --auto --primary --output VGA-2 --auto --rotate left --above LVDS-1

Quite interestingly, it APPEARED to work -- but only briefly (the terminal window and such showed up in the top monitor as it is wont to do when the command is run) but then reverted to the initial display. SHEESH!

I can't use e27 or e24 or whatever it is Enlightenment to do much else with that kind of mess.

There also seemed to be some residual effects of being in e27 when I returned to e16. For example, when I opened a text file with mousepad or SciTE, they opened in the upper monitor. Their previous/preferred window positioning had been "forgotten".

This is quite simple:

E27 works very differently to other desktops or managers and you need to search or simply click and find out.

You are expecting it to function in the way you have gotten a habit of doing and does not apply any more. Result: Panic!

Take it easy and take your time to explore and just be assured that E27 has more stuff covered than you can think of ..... albeit, I'll give you that, they're not always easy to find. :rofl2:

Take your time ... and discover !!

Maybe, but I really don't like it fighting me, like the way it undoes my xrandr setup.

I don't suppose you would be so kind as to point me to where I can "explore" in the menu to find the magic sauce to get my monitors setup done? Sorry, but with the theming as it is currently, I'm having a hard time just reading the stuff in the menus. There's so little contrast that things really escape notice. On the positive side, the menus don't do the "jumping around" I had complained about in e16.

Just click top left in the widget there on the monitorLDVS1 and you'll see it expand to include the other monitor.
Frankly I'm getting a bit fed up pointing or showing you where to find things because they don't show up where you're used to, or expecting to find them.

I totally agree that Enlightenment settings are hard to navigate and some are even hidden in the most exotic places but ultimately there's far more to configure than most WMs offer.
You just have to find them.....consider it a journey.

Thanks immensely for the hint! But....

Whoa, sorry to be so demanding and tiring. But consider this -- I'm not a novice user and am (or at least think I am) trying to be helpful and hoping to improve the Elive experience for others. So maybe Elive is not for the world, but for E-litists only, mmmm?

That being said, I'm happy to wander back into the shadows and continue to poke around. And maybe someday understand. But maybe not.

BTW -- I really, really do appreciate all that you and @Thanatermesis have done to create this crazy cool, if impenetrable, distro!

There's 2-3 different ways to configure the screens...

  • use xrand
  • use arandr (or the frontend made by elive, which shows up in the applications menus)
  • use the native E27 screens configurator

NOW, IMPORTANT: something important to know: by default only the third option is valid (native E27 configurator), if you try to configure it with another tool it may not work, or the native-configurator may try to put back its defined settings on it.

We should make some betatestings about these multiple things in order to see all the possibilities and compatibilities

Elive has not yet decided which tool to use by default: so the friendlier may be the one from the applications menus, but the native one should be the correct since it can include better features, triggers, autodetections, etc...

BTW: I just wrote this to help the reporting of bugs of Enlightenment and to have a more stable and featured desktop ready sooner!

No, you're clearly not but apparently not experienced enough to see that quite a few of your 'bugs' turn out to be PEBCAK.
You tend to be hampered by your experience, in the sense that you aren't really open to the fact that things might differ to what you're used to and .... then tend to get dismissive and expect others (like in the case of the e16/e27-settings or tint2-settings-gui) to show you how and what.

Short of throwing the (probably non-existent :rofl: ) manual at you, we do try to weed out what is relevant for the beta (which the Trixie upgrade and E27 still are on Elive) testing, but it does get rather tiring after a while to be addressing unchecked assumptions or biased habits that are easily avoided.

Your input and bug reports are certainly appreciated and can help to make the Elive desktop experience better, despite some cruft here and there.

Like:
Even your intermittent use of "impermutable" shows that apparently the start-up impermutable wallpaper text isn't clear or, in-your-face enough to show what it does and is meant for. Maybe we need an extra pop-up there. :thinking:

Please do continue with what you're doing but check, check and double check assumed bugs before posting.

I am merely reporting on my experiences, which of course should not be considered as "bugs" since I still am not Experienced (are you?).

Thanks to the extremely kind hint, I clicked the "LVDS-1" item with the skinny line beside it and above the other "LVDS-1" item in the screens/monitors confiiguration panel. I guess in an attempt to be "elegant", a vertical bar was chosen rather than a traditional pull-down "v" type icon. Whatever. It did indeed show my "VGA-1" monitor and I was able to successfully set it up. And @Thanatermesis is correct, except in saying that the native configurator "may" change it back (should have been "will"). I had said that the xrandr command did briefly show everything as it should be, but then that collapsed back to being E-forced. :slight_smile:

I found the wallpapers configurator and since it only had the default, pointed it to a collection of backgrounds/wallpapers I had. I quickly found out that many of the images are too small or too "horizontally biased" to show up except in a middle band on the upper monitor. I did find one image that came from PeppermintOS that was nice and filled both monitors. What I do not like is that there is no option to stretch or zoom the image to fit the virtual space of both monitors. It treats the two as separate areas to fill, very much like Xfce does or as I've seen in my limited experience with Wayland (perhaps that's why it is that way). At least it doesn't do like Xfce forces you to, to move the config panel to the monitor to be tweaked. I tried using nitrogen, but it did nothing at all. So I guess it is what it is. But I do know that e16 does let the wallpapers scale/zoom, so this is an unwelcome change.

I had lots of other fun trying to adjust the screen (resolution? DPI? scaling?) so the text was a bit bigger and such. I can't remember the various things I tried, but now, everything's too big, especially apps. Here's the thing -- of course it surely cannot be a bug -- but every time I made such a change, I figured it didn't show up (sure didn't seem to) until I restarted Enlightenment. Trouble is, every time I did that, after the restart, my laptop monitor was all black. The cursor showed up (I think) but no windows. At first, all I could figure out to do was to hit the good ole power button. Eventuall (there were LOTS of these same encounters), I found out if I moved the cursor to the top monitor and used Alt+Tab there, the bottom monitor window would open there. Still couldn't use the bottom area, thoug. I did go back on e16 to define a Super+Esc key mapped to "logout" but of course there's a "you sure?" prompt that occurs on the monitor you entered it on, so that also had to be done in the upper monitor. Another frustration with just being able to do things and remember what I'd done!

Back on e16 -- yet another frustration (I'm sure it's all my fault) is possibly related to the scroll wheel text interruption thing, but way, way worse -- is that, quite often (it did while entering the above) I will be typing in something, and not only can I not enter anything, if I scroll with the mouse wheel, it does this really, really weird thing of just highlighting text either way, up or down, from some random (?) location above where I've been entering text. When this happens, I can move the mouse/cursor to where there would be the panel to try to launch something. Nope. Also can't close a window. Can't even raise the Elive desktop main menu. Again, good ole power button. Fortunately, upon reboot, the above text came back up when I restarted the browser (while the problem was going on, it was all lost). And you wonder why sometimes I say the things I say....

I promise to keep slogging away. This is too much of a challenge to just go away and return to other familar environments. And I know I can get annoying. But I do wish and hope you guys will be understanding and helpful. I know there are few of you, and you're doing a great job. I did 40+ years of software tech support, so I can almost relate to the pressures you have.

Peace.

I get the impression the windows/widgets are there, it's just the screen that stays black.
Seen that behavior a lot ... especially after disconnecting the second screen i.e E27 should handle that 'on the fly' and move all the apps to the single leftover monitor.
It's definitely a bug but haven't yet found a sure-fire to make it come up, so that I can report it to the enlightenment devs. :frowning:
It has been reported none the less.

E27 has other tricks than most, in the way that a restart can be done by Ctrl, Alt + End combo ... which by the way will be only effective if it has crashed or frozen over. The same goes for hitting Ctrl, Alt + F1 for a tty. On a normal running E27, that's impossible, it works only if E27 is having issues. :thinking:
Tip:
If you can log into a TTY then the command: enlightenment_remote -restartwill also restart E on where you left it, usually TTY8 .

In addition I just discovered that if I stop/start or simply start an app (I've got 'guake' under F12), it shows the desktop too.

Anyway, the way to go for E27 bugs: