BUG hunting Enlightenment (E24+)

Yes, it is a sort of parallel universe. :madness:

At the time E22 was the latest version but now there is also 23+ and an E23 thread headed by a "howto" at the top that can be edited by anyone who wants to:

Renaming E22+ and E23+ into a more generic "Enlightenment-latest" or testing, might just be a tad too generic for search engines IMO.

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unfortunately I think that this depends strongly on the machine specs :thinking: , so so some hardware -may- need to use acpi to manage correctly things and others doesn't

the main question is: does systemd automatically enables / disables it depending of the computer needs? in such case, we may end by uninstalling acpid in the machines that has not it enabled by default (which means not needed?) and so E should not complain :thinking: :thinking:

I think we can merge BOTH contents in a single thread with a good title containing E23 (not going to have E24 soon imho, and its more clear about the version), and delete the other one

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yes that's wiser, e16 is supported by default but not e23 yet, at least we know that e23 has problems mounting partitions :slight_smile: are you using thunar or the own e23 file manager?

what is your opinion about the updated file manager in e23 @triantares ?

your issue is with e23 only, so try to re-create entirely your e23 confs, so from e16 remove your directory ~/.e

if this doesn't works, configure your "startup applications" to enable the possible needded things for dbus :thinking:

It's better but still not on par with Thunar.
If you mount a large flashdisk with multiple media files (videos, photos) it takes a long time to create icons and if the pointer hovers over one of those files it will try to play a preview and freeze for quite a while. IMO a waste of resources. :frowning_face:

On top "connman" and "network-manager" don't mix well.
So coming from E16 (where the connection is setup by network-manager) into E23 leaves "connman" showing a lost connection although that isn't true. Connman then has multiple issues to connect or disconnect or even recognize wifi devices.

moved these 2 last posts to this thread which is more on-topic...

If you mount a large flashdisk with multiple media files (videos, photos) it takes a long time to create icons and if the pointer hovers over one of those files it will try to play a preview and freeze for quite a while. IMO a waste of resources. :frowning_face:

that sounds a bit like an issue to report :thinking: E should be efficient in every aspect and if is not, it needs to be improved (that's called uncoformist perfectionism lol), see for example my report about the slow pagers :wink: they fixed it fast, but that's probably because im very familiarized with E and I know that it should not be like that

in any case if you report it you need to give details (maybe a video like in my pager slowness report issue), the number of elements that happens ("in a dir with more than 100 videos bla bla"), etc... and maybe a proposed suggestion (thats not so easy)


about connman, is good but i dont think it can be enough good as network-manager, I mean, nm is more featured, if you see "edit configurations" it allow advanced settings like vpn, md5 password, usernames etc... which seems like universities requires these types of "username accounts" on their networks, so basically we need an internet configurator that "simply works" with everything needed

in other words: probably connman will be removed in the future because of the lack of features

Tell that to Rasterman. :shocked:
Actually I find "connman" good enough but to make it usable (i.e a GUI) it requires "connman-gtk" which isn't pulled in automagically and .... (for now pending a solution) "network-manager" needs to be disabled.
I suspect that the E24 devs do not run multiple DEs on their test machines , only E24 .... so they will not have noticed yet.

This is an old thread, we are on E24 now, I wonder if we should merge some threads, rename them, or even delete them ? :thinking:

Anyways, I wanted to report my recent experience, on which I found E24 to be extremely laggy, more exactly, the desktop is not responsive, it takes around 1 entire second to display what I'm doing (if i type with the keyboard, it takes 1 second to appear, if something is drawn on the screen, it takes 1 second to show up, etc..)

I'm the only one to have this issue ?

No, I don't have these issues.
On my Lenovo thinkpad X1 carbon and my Helix2, it runs just as fast and smooth as E16 as long as I don't use the default Enlightenment file manager.
Efm really bogs dowm the machine with it's previews and icon creation/caching.

It doesn't bog mine down but there's a noticeable lag and sometimes a guru meditation with it.

Really? The only problem I have that seemed to go away is when i leave the computer on, it might have a guru meditation that requires a kill -s SEGV $(pidof enlightenment) after a bit. That's not lag tho, and I think it went away after the last update.

What's your compositor settings at?

Ok bug has been found, you can reproduce it easily with this command:

killall syndaemon ; syndaemon -d -K -R -i 0.9

It happens when the elive touchpad configurator is run on the startup applications, more exactly this syndaemon command, seems like to be not very compatible with E running

I do use the touchpad configurator once to configure it properly and effectively don't have it on startup in E24.
Frankly, I didn't see the need of having it run at every startup once all the settings are to my liking. :thinking:

The elive touch pad configurator doesnt work on E24 for me. :thinking: But it doesn't make it crash.

Bugs fixed, upgrade your packages :slight_smile:

not exactly, E has its own configurator for touchpad, but if you want the features provided by the configurator of touchpad of elive you must run the .desktop file on startup applications, or just run:

touchpad-configurator --load

features like disabling mouse movements & clicks in touchpad while using the keyboard are not supported by the touchpad configurator of E (maybe they should try to implement some extra features like this one, which is very needed for some kind of laptops which has an annoying touchpad)

not crash, but there was a lag in the desktop (with cpu usage), all the details were reported here:

https://phab.enlightenment.org/T8857

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I get a similar problem with a slight variation, this occured after apug. Whereas the touchpad works smoothly scrolling and all, the keyboard typing is laggy and the left mouse click does not work.
Applying ': sudo killall syndaemon ; syndaemon -d -K -R -i 0.9' kills the whole touchpad and i had to reboot. But seems to work better now. Will update findings

Edit:
The keyboard no longer lags but the left click touchpad button gets disabled for upto5 -10 secs or works intermittently

Enlightenment packages are updated

Note: Seems like there's quite low activity in the enlightenment source code, so please, experiment with it and report any bug (first maybe is better to talk about it on the forum and see if we can reproduce it) to the phab so that they can fix them :slight_smile: , give them some activity to not let the E project die

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I get the point but ...... (there's always a but)

I think that E16 is the DE that will keep Elive alive in the near future not Enlightenment E24, alas.
So for now that's where my focus lies ..... Enlightenment is the following step, in due time.

I think Enlightenment needs more attention in general i.e has a PR issue that needs resolving.

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Agreed, well said.
The strength of Elive was always E16 as eye-catcher.
Nowadays it is even something special,
although @Thanatermesis don't see it like this anymore,
because he is too used to it.
But for others it has been and will always be -
something new, amazing, astonishing, awesome new.
Kdrgds :wink:

Well, it does have certain aspects that "show" it's dated heritage ..... like the strange CD icon for the audio player on the desktop. :clown_face:

But @Thanatermesis is right that the Enlightenment devs need to know and feel that others than only themselves are engaged in getting Enlightenment up and running.
What they're doing is hard work and doing that into limbo for too long is frustrating.

I was merely pointing out the reason why I wasn't planning on using E24 on a daily basis yet.

This is right, but E24 will be the next desktop :slight_smile: (and elive 4.0 cannot be released with e16), in other words, the more ready E24 will be, the more stable will work for elive and less work will be when implementing it

That doesn't means to forgot E16, as you said, is the actual desktop, by other side I don't need E16 needs any focus at all (it simply works / is ready)

Only before in their first versions and after the last elive stable released

Of course i like e16 (and working entirely from it), but E24+ is the future

ok ok, i think is time to remove that :stuck_out_tongue: , noted

im not going to switch yet too :slight_smile: but as said before, the more stable will be, the more fast we can switch (or, simply using it as preference, for example, i switch to it everytime i want to play a movie, just because of the smoothed vsync feature)

UPDATE:

In your next upgrade, "dark theme" for enlightenment (or elementary more exactly) will be gone, its officially switched to "flat" theme now, maybe in the future we can have an installable fork of the previous dark theme since its nice too but there's not yet available (probably somebody will do one soon)

This also has a somewhat relation with the bugs of E, since it can affects to things like sizes of elements, or the dock bar which had a jumpy effect on dark theme IIRC

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