What is YOUR business with Nemo now....
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I'll be honestly blunt now, as I think that my message is not coming across. 
There is another very bad thing:
Visitors to the website are not going to pay or support you for the site itself ...... They'll want a distro that sucks them in -- to never leave again.
Ergo: If you want/need to make a living off the website, do something else like gaming, videos or any other click-bait stuff like politics, porn or celebrities.
If you want to create an income with Elive, then make sure the user/tester/blogger gets the message that this is the distro he/she has been waiting for. It certainly can be exactly that IMHO.
In one of the previous posts concerning Mageia CC I added the link of the article ....... read it.
Not for what it says but how the writer comes to his conclusion ...... i.e what does he look for and write about.
The move now to 64 bits is an opportunity to try things differently. Of course it's your prerogative to do exactly as you want and to continue along the path you have always followed....and I don't want to hamper you in that, but (there's always a but):
Those that are with (and support) you now, will do so anyway with or without a snazzy web-site ..... so there's actually nothing to lose by trying something else -- On the contrary, there's much to be gained.
To do it well, it'll require [a lot of] work, a collaborative team [of volunteers in this case, for now], a good plan and [above all] dedication ... but it can be done, I'm sure: All the prerequisites are there. 
It's your choice, I can only offer help.
Here I do agree in full with what @triantares pointed out very well, he speaks from my heart.
YOU should really take good advise from us old men,
we have seen things come and go -
but we do believe in you and your awesomeness.
Again:
You are just one person
that said - for avoiding the same experience from the past -14 years but only costs under the line -
Listen to what he just said, like I said same earlier, even yoda is here with us among with other Elive - believers....
When you are back is a good time to start all over.
You
Can
Not
Continue
As before the 64 story is too important.
Kisses
no, we are talking about different things
im not saying to use the website as a service or feature, the website solely purpose is the door to the OS
you are talking about an "amazing presentation on the OS / app that sucks the users in", and im saying that to write an app for that has multiple difficulties / bad points:
- it is really hard & slow to write
- it will impact to much less people (20-30 downloads per day VS 300 visits per day to the website)
and so the solution would be to use the website as a medium to give that "impact presentation", then, both 20-30 users and 300 visitors will benefit on it, users from the system will see it like an amazing presentation, and users from the website will see that like an amazing presentation before to download (and decide for) the system
so, after to clarify that the website stuff idea is simply about to use it as the medium for the result we are talking about to reach, tell me if we are talking about a different goal 
(which again: the medium to have an amazing / visual presentation impact that the users will way "omfg this system is amazing! see how many features and nicenesses!")
so what is the proposal again? im now lost lol
mmh i think so, try if you have an option to "mount iso" with the iso file there too (similar elive feature, so if you have it, you should have the one for the videos)
Answer:
Next Advice / source of assistance:
Have a look what @maxinou wrote lately, please
I want to think, that I could help you out with being lost?
Yes, tomorrow I'll try to give you all my contribution (at least my point of view to discuss together).
Nope, no mount option there. This is an updated and upgraded 3.7.6 X64
on my "X1 carbon".
I recall having seen the option on one of my machines and complaining (to you) that it didn't download any subtitles. I think it is 32bit only?
The whole topic is (KISS):
Does Elive go on as it always did or do we try something more audacious?
It seems as if the time (and support) is right to, now to get some funding and a serious try at being the next top distro ..... seeing Ubuntu is going down and prolly dragging all its derivates with it.
We're a small group but very dedicated if given the room to operate. 
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Agreed. The sole function of the website is to showcase/sell Elive. Fullstop.
One downside is that every site that wants to sell a product over-hypes its qualities .... leaving the client/user/customer only 2 choices:
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Find a trusted reviewer and see what they have to say about the product (Elive in this case)
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Download, test and see hands-on for yourself if it's as good as the site claims.
Either way there is a big need for Elive to showcase itself once it is up and running. So as to entice the future user as well as get good reviews. It is the difference between success and failure.
The number of downloads is not a measure of success, downloaders that stay as Elive users are what it's about. Again: The hands-on experience is what makes them stay or go away.
The only other way to create a hands-on experience is to have an instance of Elive running in the browser ....... like Ulteo ran in the browser is an option but that's a lot of work too.
Frankly, the reality is that there is a hell of a lot of work that has to be done and the website (however good it becomes) is not going to replace that.
If you can make your audience say that, solely based on what you tell them ........ I promise you a superduper career in advertising. 
The proposal is to make changes to Elive to pull in larger numbers of (hopefully paying) users and/or financial support from other sources. The first impression Elive makes at boot up, is crucial.
If you only keep doing what you have been doing over the last years, nothing will change and Elive will still be considered a fringe distro.
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Can we define "differently" ?
I prefer to use the word "continuous improvements", which in the end is the same goal, "differently" is a more complex idea that includes risk and an unknown "paused" state. "continuous development" is what we always did with Elive (everytime new features, improving things like website when its needed, adding a functionality when its a good time, etc...)
For example, the actual plan is:
- start the 64bit development
- build first 64bit & updated systems so that (we) can use and test them
- [*] make them public:
- [*] update website plugins to support the _arch.iso names
- [*] create a page to download the next beta versions, with a good description and details
- use the development 64bit versions for increase the donations, everybody else can download the 32bit like always has
- [*] make the website to include the Features section showing the Elive nicenesses (this has been needed for all these 14 years of Elive, its useless to make features that nobody notices/know and then forgotten in the history with the next versions)
- [*] continue the development: Integrate a new Enlightenment with all the Elive features (a ton of work)
- [*] improve designs to have an Elive look
- [*] release 4.0
This is more or less the plan
Now, about "collaborative team", everybody can help in what he / she wants, for now we have sections in Get Involved where ideas / strategies / requirements are listed or we can add more, that's an easy way to allow anybody to help
About "differently", it requires brainstorm, design, and debate, if the "new idea" is better than the previous one, it should be replaced, otherwise the previous idea is the "last working one that should be used" 
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In short "differently" should be a simply synonym of "improvement", and this should be the case for any option / idea, which can happen in any moment and for any case, but of course only if it is "worth" to do it, for example considering aspects like:
- how much is the cost to reach the goal? (investment of time, effort, etc...)
- how much "we need that" ?
- how much this improves Elive / X?
- do we have bigger priorities / needs first?
- do we have more urgent tasks?
- is there a diferent (easier / optimal) methods to reach the same goal?
- etc
Note: do we should add that "plan list" somewhere in the forum to have a clear vision / follow of the progress? @yoda @Rebel450 @triantares @maxinou
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hum, we have an issue somewhere, please check these things:
- do you have (hard-copy) the /etc of your previous system ? (you should not need that in upgrade mode, it should take care about what is needed to reciclate)
- try to move out your directory ~/.config/Thunar , let' thunar create a new one (and try again to see if you have it) - maybe we should remove this dir in upgrade mode coming from the stable version
Yes, that made "download subtitles" and "download subtitles in English" appear.
The question is why it wasn't there. I've got a 3.7.3 machine running that "does" have that option ..... so it cannot be an upgrade issue.
Maybe because the not-working one came from Ubuntu conversion?
I see that the time stamp on old uca.xml was March 18 2019. Its only 613 bytes) in size.
The second question is: Nothing happens when I click either "subtitle" option, so what is supposed to happen?
EDIT: Never mind, just saw in the uca.xml that it launches periscope.
Just spent half the day browsing your elive-tools code on github 
so not in the mood to look that up.
I did solve your "welcome.py" dict issue. That should be:
with open("/etc/elive-version") as f:
config = dict([line.strip().split(":") for line in f])
that's an example of what I said before of "continuous improvement" than "differently", I assume that in the end is simply a (philosophical?) way to think.
So there's no "good" or "bad" of how elive does it, it simply "works" (for better or worse) on this way, and it can be improved? yes of course, in both "good" or "bad" cases can be improved, everything can be improved.
In the end, is much easier to "locate the worse parts and improve them", or to "locate a need and brainstorm how to reach it", for example @triantares mentioned "being the next top distro", that's a goal:
- how to reach that (strategy)
- what are the needs to reach that
What are the "worse" parts on Elive that can be improved?
- website: it sucks, it should show the good things of elive before an user can decide to download it (see later comments)
- funding (ridiculously low)
- userbase (we don't have much)
- promotion (that will increase the userbase)
- I assume that there's the only or most important ones?
its also important to know "what we want to reach", for elive, i don't think elive want's to be the next ubuntu 
, ubuntu is known as a system full of novice users (too much) who doesn't learns much (stays novice), an unstable system (upgrade and it wont boot again), a distro focused on enterprises and giving support (elive is not actually on that topic, and probably wont be).
So could be good to define a few goals maybe? elive is more like a generic distro focused on end users, giving an alternative system which aims to be better, filling all the needs (generically), and much friendlier & easy to use
yeah exactly, and this is in fact a very (the most) important part
yeah but there's a difference: all the websites are like those self-help and fashion books, fulls of promises, selling air, etc... for example they say "the best ever operating system made" (wtf? why? how?), users that believes it get dissapointed (or living in the wrong belief that it is)
I don't want to make this for elive (but using good-motivated words yes, thats important too), i want to show things (and that's the problem where people say "too much words on the webiste, people don' read). That's why i said "visual presentation", for example not simply saying "has unique features", but saying that with the images of which unique features, and probably a text/animation explaning it (note that these ideas for the website has never been done in fact, maybe i should start trying to do a few first lol)
That's the purpose of the "users reviews" and "testimonials", like was before in:
https://test.sandbox.elivecd.org/user-reviews/
(yeah, the new website version needs to be much improved, and reworked)
this is already done (even if the system can be always improved), but i would add a previous point as explained before of "see what the system offers" (good presentation / description), before to download (of course optional, but should be simply available)
yep, a good showcase is also important for reviews, otherwise they will only write about "it boot light and fast" (period), without seeing any good features, a good showcase will tell everybody (before to try) that includes A B C features and does D E F things
yeah, a lot of work but also a bit useless (it doesn't shows any goodness, not any performance, not anything... just what the desktop looks like, and for that, we have the traditional screenshots lol, or even a video can do the same thing much much better
that's the idea , it must reach that, but like you said, its a lot of work / effort / difficult 
first step: we will need a well structured big list of WOW's and their rate
I have nothing against that when do we start? lol 
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I don't know, but i think I saw it when upgrading from stable, I will make sure that the installer removes it for versions less than X (including ubuntu migrations for example) - DONE
it worked for me the last times i used it, well, at least with the 98% of movies (can you try another few ones?)
thanks! can you try if you can "submit" the change on github? i never tried much the pull requests features too but i think that you could probably "edit the code directly from the website"?
Yesterday, if it's up to @Rebel450 
Yeah, I think we agree on almost all points albeit that I would like to have the (installed) version show more to what it can do with an "elive-welcome" on steroids that among others has a revamped "elpanel", gui version with icons for "elive-skel", videos (screencasts) and if possible interactive demos like the "glade/interactive intro" (how do they do that?).
Also included (another tab?) the PDFs and links to the site ..... and very important: showcase keira the xchat bot as a help function.
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I'll see if I get access, suspect it'll require registering.
Is there a way too make that
'periscope" call verbose? Not so much for me but for GUI persons who'll want something like a spinning hourglass or an error widget on failure.
I think I missed smthg,
let me read the history of the thread
for that I can follow what is the topic meanwhile
= 
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I think that we need specific points (these are), so mmmh, what about have them listed in the Suggest section and debate them until they are implemented? this forum is what we actively use for everything (not trello, but maybe trello can be used for set the specific goals after they are decided), or a better idea of how to list / follow these ideas? maybe we need a specific forum section called "indevelopment" or similar ?
do it, its always good to have it too
try to prepend "echo" before the periscope call (which is probably in your .conf file or in /etc/xdg/thunarsomething/uca.xml), then you will see in the terminal how its called, and then you can use periscope --help options
note that periscope has been not updated since 2016, so maybe its bugged but it has at least some pull requests which we could use to fix it
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Where did you hide the "elpanel" code?
and .....
What exactly is "bkp" used for? Merging source code locally?
Done that .... I think it merged automagically.
Shall I continue with elive-welcome as it is or is it going to change completely?
